Tempering Problem
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How did you cool it down from 124 to 84? How fast?
How did you bring it up from 84 to 90?
How did you cool it down from 124 to 84? How fast?
How did you bring it up from 84 to 90?
Is your little dipper still available? I am very interested simplysogood@hotmail.com Thank you
Hi, This is my first attempt at making chocolate from beans. I attached a photo of the chocolate I attempted to temper. Does anyone know where I went wrong from just looking at that formation of crystals?
I used a doulble boiler. Took the chocolate up to 124 F, then cooled it to 84 F just using a fan and stirring the chocolate in the bowl. Then brought it back up to 90 F and put it in the molds.
Thanks for any help offered!
Thanks! I was just curious on its capacity as I've always had a 10" w tunnel etc. This is first time running a smaller machine.
Hi there,
I have this machine. I have an older model from the 90s. I can tell you that this machine can work all day and all night. You can enrobe for as long as you want. You will have to add more chocolate when the tank gets low. I always have a supply of melted chocolate that is ready to add to the machine when needed. If you have any more specific questions. I would be happy to answer them. Enjoy your new machine!
Daniel
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I recently replaced a used and no longer functioning candy case with one from Alternative Air. The new case was reasonably priced (relative to others I explored), and is very nice. It takes a couple of months to get one made, and they don't communicate much on progress, but I'm very happy with the new case. It dehumidifies better than my old one, and holds my chocolates perfectly.
I spent a little time with Kerry the last few weeks and was able to see her work with the EZTemper first-hand. It seemed to work very well. I've been considering purchasing one. Then two days ago, when the weather cooled and humidity dropped, I was dipping chocolate toffees and was having a terrible time tempering my lecithin-free organic milk chocolate couverture (tastes great, 45%, but hard as heck to temper) and I was wishing I had purchased the EZTemper. That was truly the moment when I realized that the cost is likely worth the time savings. You can see pics of the chocolate, and how we used the EZTemper on my blog here. Kerry was testing it out to see if liquid, tempered chocolate could be kept in temper in the EZTemper for quick decorating and painting applications. It seemed to work well, but I think Kerry was planning to adjust temperatures to see if the chocolate could be less thick when it comes out of the machine. I'm curious to see the results of her experiments! But I think I will be making the purchase soon.
Hi Thomas! That's exciting. I'd love to try it someday. What is your website (if you have one)? I can add it to the dark-milk list if you are selling it.
Thanks for your comments Clay! I have not had much experience with Felchlin, given the remote location that I have been living in for the last 7 years (I occasionally make it off this island, but 'occasionally' is the emphasized word ) I just began my head-first dive into chocolate while I was in France 10 years ago, but wish I had known more when I had access to Europe back then! Sigh. But thanks to your list suggestion, I just realized that one of my regular distributors sells Felchlin! I will be asking them about it today.
It is interesting that dark milk chocolate has been around for quite a while, but truly is trending today. Europeans have always understood that rich taste and sweet-and-savoury combinations offer much more enjoyable taste experiences, but here in North America we have finally come around. A whole lot is changing thanks to the rapid development of the bean-to-bar industry, and I love every change! When I left Ottawa, there was not a place to buy origin chocolate (except one pastry shop selling Michel Cluizel and an Italian store selling a few brands of that country). Now there are specialty retailers for chocolate, better access online, and an increased interest all around. So I am sad to not be livng there anymore. But I am doing my part to bring fine chocolate to Northern Ontario .
All that said, I've updated the list with Felchlin and a few others: http://ultimatechocolateblog.blogspot.ca/2015/06/the-ultimate-list-of-dark-milk.html
Have a great weekend!
OK, dropping the price to $675.00 plus UPS shipping.
Thank you
I've been using my EZtemper to help me make some favours for the wedding of a friend's son.
http://forums.egullet.org/topic/151520-manitoulin-if-i-can-make-it-there…/?p=2024956
Thrilled to hear it is working so well for you Danielle!
I made my first dark milk a couple of months ago and it was great. The milk adds some richness. Several people that had it thought it was my best ever. I think they had never had a dark milk before or maybe they just wanted more free chocolate from me. I've only made a 55% dark milk. I'm going to make some higher percentage dark milk for my next batch.
You mentioned having a mess to clean up... I hope you know you can pop your molds into the freezer, freeze the chocolate and then just unmold it. No harm, no foul. You can then re melt and reuse the chocolate. We all have those kinds of days when we realize later we've made a mistake.
So, I was tempering my milk chocolate, and after thinking it was ready, I filled a whole lot of shell molds. Then I realized, I never added the seed chocolate. Now I have a whole lot of mess to clean out of the molds. (and a lot of wasted time).
Hello, All,
I am selling my Santha 4 liter tilting wet grinder. It has significant weight, so I'm looking for someone able to pick it up in the Dallas, TX area. The only apology is that it's missing the spring nut (Santha part spring nut 11/4), but this doesn't seem to affect use. Please contact me with offers.
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Lisabeth:
I had my first dark-milk many years ago, one of the Slitti Latte-Nero family (they come in a variety of percentages) and I was immediately hooked. Dark milks are my favorite category of chocolates. The flavor intensity of a dark chocolate, the creaminess of a milk chocolate, and they're less sweet than a dark chocolate from the same bean/roast would be because lactose is less sweet than sucrose. I eat a lot of single-origin, two-ingredient chocolate, which requires attention. When I am looking for something to simply enjoy, dark-milks are the first place I think to reach.
People who know my history know my connection to Bonnat so when they introduced the 3, 65% dark-milks I immediately started using them as a tasting flight.
Your list is missing the 49% Felchlin Creole, a great offering from one of the best small chocolate makers - if not the best - in Switzerland.
Thanks, Jeremy, for reaching out amongst all your busyness! I did really want a Hilliard and DeRhonda's came to the rescue. Good luck with your new business.
Thanks to everyone who reached out to me in one form or another. I did find a used Dedy thanks to Clay, so I'm set.
Can you please send me some pictures to: gerencia@chocostudio.pe Thank you!
Hi, can you please send me some pics from your Little Dipper to: gerencia@chocostudio.pe Best regards,
excellent, thank you both for your help in answering my chocolate dilemmas. :D
For your 70% dark bar - essentially yes. Usually the 30% is made up of sugar (majority), lecithin (~<0.5%) and vanilla or vanillan (~<1%).
White chocolate has cocoa butter - usually in the 28-35% range (but it can be outside that range). So it is typically a 28-35% chocolate because the only cocoa solids are the cocoa butter (because as you note, their is no liquor). It is not 100% cocoa solids because there is also sugar, milk powder, vanilla, lecithin etc
thank you @larry2
in fact you are right, it is actually 99% dark chocolate. i said 100% for simplicity.
ok, im gonna push it and ask another one (or two) on the subject. :D
so, when they say its a 70% dark chocolate bar, is that 70% cacao liquor +/ butter (solids) and 30% anything else?
what about white chocolate? it has no liquor, but it has cacao butter ... why is it called white chocolate and not 100% too?
why is it so confusing? lol
Cocoa butter extraction is done after roasting the beans.
To extract cocoa butter from cacao beans, the beans are roasted, cracked to help separate the shells from the nib. (The sells are a significant source of the nasties mentioned by gap.) After cracking, the nibs and shells are winnowed to separate the nib (broken beans) and the shell.
The nibs are then ground into Chocolate Liqour. Chocolate Liquor can be pressed to expell the cocoa butter. The grinding process helps allow the cooca butter to separate out.
The leftover cake of non-cocoa butter can be ground into cocoa powder. Thus as Gap said, you can think of cocoa beans as cocoa powder and cocoa butter. Cocoa butter and cocoa powder are just beans in a different form.
Re: the different fat content of your beans vs. 100% bar. The bar has a higher fat content. This could indicate the manufacturer added cocoa butter to thier recipe for 100% chocolate. It could also mean the beans they are using have a higher fat content, or it could simply mean they developed thier nutritional data table from different sources or methods. I suspect the latter is the more accurate diagnosis given the variance in saturated fat quantity, carbohydrate quantities between them. The manufacturer or producer may not have sufficient budget to outsource their products for detailed testing so the accuracy of the nurtritional tables you posted is suspect in my mind.
Mariano,
How interested are you in the little dipper? I haven't heard any more from you ince your post on 7/18.
after the cacao beans are roasted, do they contain any butter?
is roasting done after the separation of cacao butter from cacao bean (by pressing) or before?
thanks so much @gap. you did explain that very well.
Think of cocoa beans as made up of cocoa powder and cocoa butter. That is what you're eating when you eat beans. The amount of cocoa butter can vary between ~48%-56% depending on where the beans are from.
A 100% chocolate bar is made from 100% cocoa solids. This could either be 100% cocoa beans (usually that have been roasted) or any combination of cocoa beans and cocoa butter (both are considered cocoa solids and are added together to get the 100% number). Often, but not always, commercial bar makers add additional cocoa butter to a 100% bar - so the bar may be 90% beans/10% ccb or 80% beans/20% ccb.
As for which is more healthy - there is plenty written on this forum and others stating that raw cocoa beans are not a healthy option (google it if you want more info). There are plenty of nasties on raw cocoa beans which are killed by roasting. Also, some people consider cocoa butter (in the right quantities) to be a "healthy" fat which seems to run contrary to your comment above. All depends what you're aiming to get from eating chocolate I guess.
Hi guys, I need to pick your brains on this.
So, I've been hearing people talking about cacao beans (not nibs), to nibble on. I bought a packet for myself to see what's the hype. I usually eat 100% Dark Chocolate ... no emulsifiers, no vegetable fats, no butter, no milk.
Cacao butter is obtained from whole cacao beans, which are fermented, roasted, and then separated from their hulls. About 54–58% of the residue is butter.
Am I right in thinking that the Raw Cacao Beans have Cacao Butter in them, making them less "healthy"? Is it a marketing hype or am I missing something? Some people even "roast them slightly", to give them a classic chocolate taste ... to me, roasting is yet another "kill" of nutritional value, making them closer to a processed 100% chocolate bar, but with a worse taste.
My question is, are Raw Cacao Beans any healthier / better than 100% Dark Chocolate Bars?
The nutritional value of "raw cacao beans", which I bought, has the following nutritional facts (per 100g):
Energy (kcal) ... 583
Fats (g) ... 43,5
- of which Saturated (g) ... 0
Total Carbohydrates (g) ... 35,1
- of which sugars (g) ... 0
Fibre (g) ... 0
Protein (g) ... 12,8
Sodium (mg) ... 0
The nutritional value of the 100% Dark Chocolate Bar (per 100g):
Energy (kcal) ... 609,29
Fats (g) ... 54,82
- of which Saturated (g) ... 33,89
Total Carbohydrates (g) ... 0,81
- of which sugars (g) ... 0,8
Fibre (g) ... 0
Protein (g) ... 11,86
Sodium (mg) ... 0,02
I have to agree!! The EZ has simplified my production, also.
Hi, I've been roasting in a convection oven and doing alright I guess, but I am switching to a drum roaster and was hoping you all could share your final roasting temps? Thanks!
Hi All-
Although I have tons of experience tempering commercial chocolate, I have had a lot of trouble tempering the chocolate I am making from the bean. And I am getting ready to start commercial production so I was looking for a way that my staff could easily temper using a machine or by hand, and how I could explain it to them if I couldn't do it myself. My future staff is likely to have no formal education and even if I had thousands of dollars to buy an automatic tempering machine, I thought it might be hard to train them to take care of it properly. Anyway, I saw an article about the eztemper machine, and thought, can it really be that easy?
Yes, it is. It is amazing! I pulled the cocoa mass out of the melangers and put into a bowl. I let it sit for a couple hours until it was 32-33 degrees celcius and added the 1% of seed cocoa butter from the eztemper. I stirred well and poured directly into molds. My chocolate came out perfect! Its going to be so easy for me to train staff with this machine! So worth the money.
So, yes, its super awesome!
Thank you!
The Camera was a Nikon D3S
And the lenses:
Most of the pictures (75%) I took with the
AF-S NIKKOR 24–70 mm 1:2,8G ED
All the macro shots are taken with the
AF-S Micro-NIKKOR 60 mm 1:2,8 (the old one)
And only a few with the
AF-S NIKKOR 70–200 mm 1:2,8G ED VR II
Thanks,
Jochen
That's some impresive photographic and descriptive work! Could you share the camera equipment/lens used?
Sure, Clay: http://www.effector.ch/products_e.htm
I should use the smallest, 6 ltr basin. I see that they call it dipping maschine, I would be tempering and dipping with the same one.
I heve never heard of this type of tempering machine. Can you please post a link to it on the manufacturer's web site?